So how do you start getting a group together? What's your suggestion on that?

So I would say the first part that I would recommend.

So if you're able to find, if you want, babies fasting in a hurry, starting out with adults is of course easier.

And so at the very least, visually matching them would be a good idea because if you have different subspecies, not all the subspecies are able to interbreed well.

There are many hybrids or I guess interbreeds because they are the same species out there, but you likely won't get as high fertility if they're not matched for subspecies.

So that would be one way.

Another way would be to get babies from a reputable breeder.

Is there anything that we missed on breeding or hatchling care?

So going along with the genetic testing, are there visual differences where you could kind of, I mean, it's not 100%, but it sounded like you could weed out ones that were different subspecies by visual assessment.

Yes.

So looking at the terrapist shape, you know, some of them are more shaped like a burger.

If you look from the top, some of them are shaped more like eggs.

The Horsfieldii are very egg-shaped, and they're generally bigger.

When you hear of Russian tortoise that's 12 inches long and has been in the States for X amount of time, probably a Horsfieldii that Kazakhstanica kind of maxed out at about 1,300 grams, they can be up to 2 kilograms.

Right now, I don't have the list right in front of me, but one of the subspecies is much smaller.

So what's your