Kate Williams

So, here we are today.

I'm joined, as ever, by my colleague and co-presenter, Professor Kate Williams.

Kate, hello.

Hello, Robert.

That's all one word, by the way.

But until next time, from me, Robert Hardman,

And me, Kate Williams.

Goodbye.

Hello and welcome to another episode of Queens, Kings and Dastardly Things.

I'm Daily Mail columnist and royal biographer Robert Hardman and I'm joined as ever by my colleague Professor Kate Williams, historian, biographer, many other things.

Hello Kate.

Hello Robert.

What an ending.

Well, sadly, that's all we've got time for.

So from me, Kate Williams, goodbye.

And from me, Robert Hardman, goodbye.

I'm just sort of using Anne as an example because she's the person that I work on because it is important for us today, for us as women today to challenge the sort of ideas and the misogyny behind a lot of what we say about Anne Boleyn.

Well, and that just reminds me of, so in this series, I've spoken with Tracy Borman and Kate Williams about their recent books, and both of them have a similar point of view.

And I'm curious what your point of view is.

about the time period where Henry is pursuing Anne and she retreats to Heber.

I'm Robert Hardman, Daily Mail columnist, royal biographer, author of Elizabeth II.

I'm joined as ever by my co-host, Professor Kate Williams, a royal biographer of many royal biographies, most recently the fabulous book Regina.

Hello, Kate.

Hello,

Victoria's...

impact on women I think can't be underestimated and it's a great irony isn't it that Victoria who was very much against votes for women said it was a mad wicked folly but she was actually she became this symbol one of the most powerful arguments of the suffragettes for votes for women because they said well you men say that we don't understand political systems and political questions so how come we've got a queen on the throne listening to all these points so victoria became a symbol of something she might never have wanted

votes for women so uh it just remains to say uh for me robert hardman and me kate williams goodbye

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Hello, this is David, and here are some radio highlights for this coming week that I hope you will enjoy listening to in the days ahead.

Saturday, the 17th of October, in Radio 3's Essential History of Classical Music, historian Kate Williams explores how composers seek ways to express national identity through music.

That's on Radio 3 at 1pm.

And continuing the celebration of 100 years since Winnie the Pooh was first published, Save the Hundred Acre Wood is on Radio 4 at 3pm.

I'm Robert Hardman, Daily Mail columnist and Royal Biographer, author of the new book Elizabeth II.

I'm joined as ever by my co-host Professor Kate Williams, Royal Biographer, author of the new book Regina.

Hello Kate.

Hello Robert.

But for now, I'm afraid that's all we have time for.

So from me, Robert Hardman.

And from me, Kate Williams.

Goodbye.

But so he starts pursuing her.

And this is where some of the historians I've talked to on the podcast so far this season, Tracy Borman and Kate Williams, I think both say this in their books.

She was not into it.

She did not she didn't want to be Thomas Wyatt's or was that his name? Yeah.