karrigan

And I think this is when Kikson was still on the team.

But then when it shifted with Karrigan, the recent discourse has been that he's just not fragging well enough as an in-game leader.

And then on the other side of the fence that it's okay.

Well, it's less about, you know, him fragging more what he gets out of other players.

yeah

that only works if you either can't afford the star or the star would not make you better like we're saying if you actually could get bent to join the joke is are we even having this conversation anymore wouldn't it wouldn't it just be immediately a more interesting team because i do think that's another thing i get tilted about with falcons is i never said falcons was number one i've never ever told anyone falcons has the best roster i think the roles are like semi-fucked in their team i'm actually amazed they got it together and won the major by the way i didn't even think they would win the major i thought they could be relevant and be a dark horse but i would have thought like pretty sweet i still think they could have beaten vitality and then just lost the spirit right afterwards and sammy's would have been good but wouldn't that have been a way more like appropriate performance in light of what we've seen since that would be about the level you'd expect from them so one of the problems i do have with their team is people have this thing where because they hate falcons they don't get all their arguments lined up so wait a minute you hate falcons and then you and then do the following watch you go monacy he's overrated didn't he he's not as good as don can see right okay cool so my superstar's not as good and then you go nico he's not even that good a player anymore and he swapped his roles and he chalks didn't he okay so there's my like third star he's not that good Kiyosuke, well, he's just fucking average because he hasn't been developed by Zonic and Karrigan, right? So you think of our second star there, he's not even that good a star.

Tessus, he's all right, I guess, but he's not really playing his right roles.

Well, fuck, he's nowhere near bait, yimpa, heavy gun, right? Last of all, Karrigan, yeah, I guess he can call a good game, but he's absolute shit as a fragger.

Fucking hell, and then you all think Zonic's a fraud, right? Then why should that team win everything? That sounds like a fucking terrible team.

You've gone top to bottom, everyone's overrated and not actually that good at their fucking job.

Sure.

A lot of people are calling for Karrigan's head.

Uh, i- in general, you know, it's a team that you never get tired of, of talking about.

And I, uh, I, I thought to myself, "Okay, so it, it's kind of boring to keep saying the same thing over and over," the whole Karrigan topic, you know, him being a shitty fragger, you name it.

It, it's been, it's been discussed to, to a point now-

Of course

I can't wait.

I think, I think it's one of those scenarios where it could work out for, for, for both him and for Falcons, to be completely honest.

He was getting multi-kills on pistol rounds.

Karrigan was finding impact in the game.

They're

getting, like, five E3s, and then the three bedroom guys are on B just owning everyone.

I basically a- actually thought to myself like a month ago, if they were gonna make moves into Astralis, because there was that rumor they were gonna kick HooXi after their player break.

It's like, wait a minute, why not just go all Danish again? Actually, there are Danish players in the scene you can make like a mini super team out of without even needing, by the way, Karrigan and TeSeS, and you can have a pretty good squad.

Like, you can have blameF, you can have a bunch of Staehr, and so you can have a bunch of names and Astralis names and they would be good Danish players.

So to me, that would be how you could have sort of like re-upped and gone back into what had made Astralis interesting or popular.

So again, I don't know what the diss on HooXi is.

Now, I'm not against the idea, by the way, Shouy can be good.

But I'll just say Shouy and Kixstar, what you're both all doing to them is exactly why I told you guys not to give, make these guys the next Karrigan and Snappi and put them straight in all the top teams.

'Cause what have we discovered about both these guys? We've discovered Kixstar, actually when you put him in a room with giant personalities, the biggest in the entire world, the most accomplished, yeah, he might just get dwarfed by that.

Yeah.

Of the idea of like maybe you actually just need to replace Karrigan before the Major.

Maybe you can't even get to the Major-

Mm-hmm

So where are you at on this, Pim? Like for example, that basic framing, you agree they have to win this tournament, right?

Yeah, I th- I think that's a very good way of, of putting it.

And I, I very much see the similarities to, to what you described as well as the CAC tournament when Karrigan came in the first time around, and it felt like a must-win tournament.

You know, a, a confidence booster for Falcons.

And, and, and he has a young AWPer, right? So it's...

I, I think he's on a point where he knows how he wants to play, but I, uh, but I think because he came from Karrigan, uh, who is also I think very...

He's kinda like Fallen, in my opinion.

Yeah, mid-round-y.

Yeah, more mid-round-y, kinda taking the space and then let- letting, letting, letting the round flow itself.

Mm.

I think Ross is like that as well, and a little bit gimmicky as well, like Karrigan.

And, uh, it's hard to, to kinda...

I know maybe ESL was trying to push this as more of an agenda, but, like, they were trying to put a lot of these voice clips in there, and I wanna make sure I frame this correctly to the community.

ESL will obviously, as a production company, make some clips where they're giving you what Niko is saying, not what Karrigan is saying.

Yeah? So we don't know everything Karrigan said.

We don't have the full voice comms.

It might come out later.

That's my blood sugar monitor.

Um, it might come out later on-

Karrigan's gonna release it, right?