Karl Germer

And it's interesting, too, because she was kind of.

Disregarded by a lot of the major occultists of her time, including Wilfred Smith and Carl Germer, who we've talked about.

The

more stuffy side of the occult establishment.

Oh yeah.

And interesting enough, as the story goes, uh, Karl Germer, upon reading it, was like, "Oh," the head of the OTO at that time, which was just technically an offshoot magical, um, Freemasonic sh- sc- like grouping really is what the OTO was before Crowley became the head of it.

I- i- in one of them it was he-- you're like, "Oh, how did you know our highest level nine degree secret of sex magic?"

[laughs]

Right

... you know, like Karl Germer, who was, uh, essentially his, uh, his muscle or something, right? [laughs] Like he was the one who was kind of-

Yeah

... keeping tabs on everything and just, you know, back channeling information to Crowley and all of that.