Hmm.

Hmm.You have to be able to talk about these personal challenges, right? And you have to have comrades that are able to both appreciate and have the sensitivity about these, these questions to be able to understand, like, what it means to, [laughs] to get there.

Like, now it's a meeting, you know what I mean? A, a rally, right? Whereas, like, before I was the person going to all of the things and doing all of the things.

Mm-hmm.

And it's a total illusion.

It's not true at all.And she goes and does the research.

She like [laughs] traces it back to like a few pamphlets written by these like male doctors who were the same doctors who would tell women like, "Don't rock the baby, you're gonna spoil it.

Um, you don't feed the baby un- until the s- you know, two every three hours." And you learn about the context that they're writing these parenting books.