Kareth

If he ate chelev b'shogeg, a fellow that ate chelev accidentally.

If a person get-- eats chelev b'mezid, what does he get? Kareit, right? If he ate-- eats chelev b'shogeg, what does he get? Korban chatat.

He has to bring Korban chatat.

If he's not sure if he ate chelev, meaning he knows he ate something, he doesn't know if it was, um, chelev or maybe it was a kosher fat.

Temuras.

What's the status of Temura? By a Bechor and Maiser, the Temura is not Kareth.

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Other animals, you make a Temura.

Let's suppose somebody knows what they're doing is wrong, but they think it's only a lav prohibition.

And it really is a Karet prohibition.

So there, Rish Lakish thinks the person would not bring a chatat because he's not a full shogeg, meaning he knows too much to be a shogeg.

We often say shogeg means accidental, but shogeg really means, as I've been saying, trying to be careful to say it long, unwitting, you don't fully realize what you're doing.

Because what's the level of not fully realizing it? So Rish Lakish holds that if you realize that you're violating the Torah...

even though you think you're only violating a plain prohibition, and you're willing to, you know, you're sort of willing to put up with that, you don't realize you're violating a Karet prohibition, that would not involve a chatat.

That's not unwitting enough.

You'll be rebuking on there.