Karakalpaks

And I won't go into the background of that case because it's long and complicated, but in the end, Kazakhstan was able to, let's say, wiggle out of that situation by giving her a suspended sentence and then permitting her to leave for Sweden.

And then more recently, I think of the case of the Karakalpak activist Akilbek Muradbai, who similarly was held in detention in Kazakhstan for a long time because he was being sought by Uzbekistan because of his alleged conspiring to help overthrow the government in Uzbekistan.

This was to do with the unrest in Karakol, Pakistan in 2022.

And again, there, some kind of accommodation was found to allow him to depart for a country somewhere in the west.