Kaiser Permanente

Yeah, we've done some work locally.

Probably the best study actually came from Kaiser.

There's a few other health systems that have implemented different Ambien scribes, a lot of them in California in the UC system.

And each has shown improvement in note creation, which is obvious, right? Like, okay, we're using this tool for no creation.

Preauthorizations, claims coding, billing reconciliation, and clinical notes are where AI's return is most measurable today.

At the Permanente Medical Group, part of Kaiser Permanente, ambient AI scribes that draft the note during the visit were used by 7,260 physicians in some 2.5 million patient encounters between October 2023 and December 2024, with an estimated 15,700-plus hours of documentation saved, according to an analysis in NEJM Catalyst.

Per physician, the hours are modest.

What matters is where they came from, evenings in the record, and attention during the visit.

In terms of the average pay and another 15 percent will happen in 2027 approximately.

That's that's the the the forecast by Kaiser.

But, you know, when you think about that, that means there's probably a lot of people who are saying, OK, we know a lot of people are going to roll off Medicaid because of the the Trump tax bill that passed.

There are going to be people who are going to go to the Affordable Care Act and they're going to find out it's the Unaffordable Care Act and they are going to be left with maybe a catastrophic plan if they're lucky or they're going to turn around and they're going to say, I just need a job that pays with health insurance.

Very scary.

He listed the hospitals, Kaiser Permanente.

That always reminds me of Kaiser.

Who is Kaiser? So say, did y'all ever see the untouchables? Is that the? Yeah.

Anyway.

Okay.

Colorado at Children's Hospital, Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, Ann and Robert Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago and Kaiser Permanente Santa Clara Medical Center are the places that he mentions that he knows for sure are doing this.

I will almost 100% say it's happening at UAB, too, because there's a lot happening at UAB over the years that we've learned that it's very sus.

Very scary.

He listed the hospitals, Kaiser Permanente.

That always reminds me of Kaiser.

Who is Kaiser? So say, did y'all ever see the untouchables? Is that

Anyway.

Okay.

Colorado at Children's Hospital, Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, Ann and Robert Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago, and Kaiser Permanente Santa Clara Medical Center are the places that he mentions that he knows for sure are doing this.

I will almost 100% say it's happening at UAB, too, because there's a lot happening at UAB over the years that we've learned that it's very sus.

back.

Yeah, and the last one I wanted to talk about, Kaiser Permanente came into Oklahoma for the very first time and bought a large health system called Integris.

And I was just on the phone with our – we're with Wellvana, and she lives in Oklahoma.

And she was just telling me that Kaiser is now in their market.

But there's one coming up in Missouri in August.

And also, very big one, Chloe Colt, probably the most famous detransitioner, her trial against Kaiser Permanente will be in California in April.

What was it like in the courtroom?

It was very powerful.

Yes.

A lot of the larger healthcare systems are doing some type of an apprenticeship program, like Kaiser has a more formal apprenticeship program.

They are in a lot of places a union-based organization, so there's some issues around

that.