Juukan Gorge

T- travel money with regards to that $2,000, um, whatever, stipend is not gonna get you far.

So the actual proper money, since Rio Tinto's Footy Means Business was shut down after the blowing up of Juukan Gorge, and I'm going through the history lesson here for people, that then stopped.

They stopped the, um...

They didn't renew that contract with Rio, and since then there's been this, this vacuum of money or this lack of money in that regard because of those things not being replenished in terms of that.

You know, in here in Western Australia, there's a big debate now about land access and heritage surveys.

To my mind, that's a direct result of what happened with, uh, Juukan Gorge caves.

Mm.

The majors have got enough money to say, "What do you need?" We'll thr- they can throw money at every situation.