Can you maybe tell the story how it went from there and how it ended up in a PhD at Karma, right? At the Stanford University.

Absolutely.

Yeah, that's the perfect background to it.

So I'm working at ESL 1975, and they have this thing called the Honors Co-op Program, where you can take as many courses as you want, but you're expected to squeeze it into a day a week.

So basically, you're saying you can take a day off per week to do your work.

And I tried two courses, and that was not a good idea.

So I went down to one course.

So can you maybe share a little bit behind this, if that's okay? Because I'm super curious how it came to be.