So at what point did you realize that everything that you were going through with the loss and everything was going to kind of reshape your whole professional path?

It took a while, right? I think it's really important for your listeners to give them that grace and to be really mindful that nothing happens quickly and it happens on your own time.

And that grief, I say it all the time, it's not to be fixed and it's not for any person, family member, partner, child, and no one... should define for anybody how they experience their grief, right? So it's really finding, I believe, the sacredness of how we honor the grief.

So at that moment, in those times, I was shattered.

It was a lot of crying, a lot of isolation.

We had a dog.

My youngest son was still in high school.

Yeah,