And

I think when we talk about research, there's so little research that is developed with a view to how do we take better decisions around the value of care and contextualizing care.

And I think some of the exceptions of that are some of the work that ASPCA does.

And I think whenever you look at the motivations around what is this research for and what is it to do, a lot of the time it is to sell us something.

And that's not, again, let's take a step back and say, this is not an inherently evil thing.

We live in a capitalist society where people are trying to sell us products.

And it is on us to evaluate those things.

But how do you think about that?