Judith Gates

I love the passion and enthusiasm around it because it's like people like me, it wasn't until around COVID and it was like when I was coaching football and by football I mean soccer, it was – my old coach was, um, part of Halifax town come through the Celtic system.

And it wasn't until I was talking to Judith Gates and head safe over in England and that, and it's like, it's not the heading in the game when we're talking about her, um, unfortunately, partner that passed from CTE, Bill Gates through Middlesbrough, 300 odd games.

It's the accumulation through training.

And I did a quick math and take in my head and I'm like, well, you would do anywhere up to 100, 200 on a Tuesday, same on a Thursday.