Judith Enck

So one is, like, actually if these EPR rules are actually getting at the, the current issue.

One person I've learned a lot from on this is a former Obama administration official in the EPA named Judith Enck.

Yes, we had her on the show at episode 261 about her book.

Great.

I don't know

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Judith Enck can't stand.

She says, um, when I expressed that I would be interviewing him because he, um, was essentially trying to make the case that the plastic problem isn't as bad as we have all been led to believe, right? Now, the problem with talking to him is he's very deeply steeped in chemistry, and he's done a ton of reading.