So talk to me a little bit about what are some of the links you saw between some ancient philosophy and some more kind of modern psychology that you felt was a connection with Paul? Yeah.

Yeah, I think when I first, whenever it was, you know, started reading some ancient philosophy, I think I was really surprised that they weren't kind of like your, you know, what you might think of in terms of philosophers like Hume and Kant and Mill, you know, but they're very much sort of like...

Trying to teach people, here's how you live, as well as not just telling you, here's how you live.

But if you're a good philosopher, then they themselves are giving you kind of like a visible display of it in their own life for you to follow and to imitate.

And they're also doing it in a way that's, you know, if it's philosophy, it's supposed to be coherent, intellectually rigorous, even if it's, you know, for a very practical way of life.

And so what these philosophers often would do is kind of posit like, here's the supreme good.

Here's what a good human life is oriented towards.

So maybe we can talk about the differences that Paul's concepts produces from these other philosophies about our moral agency.