Joshua Brand

And this, I don't know that this, I don't know what this taught us, but it was like a great reality check.

There was this a guy named Josh Brand who created Northern Exposure and did a several series, was a big Emmy-winning guy, and he ha- he was friends with one of the actors on our show.

And we were, again, Ethan and I were really knuckled under with scripts, and somebody had convinced us that, "Oh, we can, we can cast the show, we can produce it, we can write all...

We can do it all ourselves, just the two of us." And Josh Brand sat down with us, said, "Are you guys fucking nuts? Who, how are you gonna write the scripts and then be in a casting session at the same time? How are you gonna be on set?" And it was like this great reality check from somebody who had a huge tons of experience.

You have to find collaborators that you trust, that you can work with.

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You know, I just-