Josef Koudelka

Mary Ellen Mark, if, you know, anyone doesn't know, is one of the great documentary photographers of all time, and she was a dear and close friend of mine and a big mentor.

You know, and another one that I give that, for people sort of exploring photography is, uh, Gypsies by Joseph Koudelka.

He's a, uh, a Magnum photographer, and, you know, he really, like, captured the European gypsies.

He embedded himself with them and, you know, i- i- it's...