Jorie Graham

[laughs]

Because Jorie Graham, who ran the program, they idolized her, and she wore all black.

She's a, a marvelous poet, a Pulitzer Prize-winning poet.

So in her seminar, she would come in in all black, and all the kids would be in all black, except for me.

Keep-

Well, we're sitting in class, and we started talking about the inception of a poem.

And Jorie Graham said something that was probably the most profound thing I've ever heard from another writer, and it has to do with what, what you asked about, do I think about movies when I'm writing.

She said, "I think a poem is a question.