So why do you think that people love being scared?

Yeah.

From like I was how I was saying about why I got into horror to begin with is I think that it's a way to be able to in a safe space, have this catharsis and work through some of your fears and anxieties.

And I do.

I really like to unwind at the end of the day, like putting on a horror movie.

And when I cover climate and the environment, and so I covered the horrors of life.

And it's nice to know that what I'm saying is fictional, even if it's based on a true story, that this is a fictional thing.

so when you emailed me you also told me that you were starting a podcast about the life and works of deborah hill yes tell me about that and why deborah hill