Joop van den Ende

I knew that before.

So Joop van den Ende, I was working for television and I did a lot of work and he paid for us, for the students.

So they didn't have to pay the money, the fee, what normally is for a fee for a not approved academy.

Right.

You know, within the system of the dance education that we have in the Netherlands, it's a very elaborate system, you know, it covers a lot of aspects.

How, you know, what would you change about that if you could change something?

I think when you think like 20 years ago, they looked to me like, oh, you're that commercial girl with Joop van den Ende and Is Money.

We were working very hard and Joop was also working very hard.