of the program directors who were who are in a group like that, whether it was state, regional, local, they were singing their praises, and not just for the education, but also for their mental health, which, you know, came out to us quite often as a theme.

Yeah, y'all, honestly, this felt like a microcosm of EMS, just in general, because what felt like an underlying theme between all of these was uncertainty.

And I was a program director during this time, and I remember being uncertain about what was going to happen with my program, with my students, with the patients in the area that we worked for.

And then at the same time, you're thinking about your family, you're thinking about your health.

And so you have all of these things that are surrounding you as you as a professional are trying to provide competent entry level clinicians for your community and to give them the experience that they deserve as students in your program.

And what I really felt like happened, at least from the interviews that we did, was a description of what happens, you know, at your ambulance base, at the area where you sit and you wait for calls, you're sitting around a table, you're talking about what's going on, you're sharing your experiences and you're building that trust and you're relying on your fellow person that you work with.

And we saw that within EMS educators as well.

So-