Jonathan Ott

And then... still sort of keeping my toe in the world of psychedelics in and out more out for the past number of years for a variety of more personal reasons but coming back in and that psychedelic safety institute summit was uh was part of that and uh yeah let's be in a nutshell

um so i have a um confession i'll make on this show for the first time ever i am just now for the first time reading jonathan ott's pharmacotheon and i'm a bit embarrassed um i'm just getting around to it now because his analysis uh commentary is just writing is so helpful and good and he he uh was one of the team that helped push this word entheogen And I'm just right before this, I was working through his description of, you know, why entheogen as a term, I find it interesting.

And I, I don't know.

I, I just, anything that smells a little religious, I push back from as if psyche doesn't have those religious connotations anyway, but you know, in our, in our strange times, I kind of use the psychedelic term as kind of like in a way, to just be loud and proud about it, kind of leveraging gay rights movement kind of logic a bit.

And I...

Found the term entheogen very helpful.

So I'd come across it and reading Jonathan Ott's work and others at the time.

Found it really helpful for framing traditional indigenous uses of plants versus the more sort of white powder application of a biomedical paradigm or psychotherapeutic paradigm.