Do you find that you tend to like go to like the same network, same music companies where you license your music from? Aside from, you know, like the major label stuff, but the more like smaller companies and the sync agencies, do you tend to go to your trusted network or do you...

I'm sure we have our favorites, yeah.

Yeah, definitely a trusted network.

We don't often reach out to folks that we haven't worked with too much or people that we don't really know personally that we haven't.

I think it's really relationship-based, and I think there's a lot of trust-building through becoming friends with a lot of these folks.

Yeah.

In terms of sync agencies and libraries and folks like that, we'll usually reach out to people that we like and that we feel like they have a good catalog.

don't like

Yeah.

We, we sort of like, like, the distribution of work is kinda like we're across everything together.

We do kind of internally kind of divvy up little things where, you know, there might be...

I might help pull together some ideas for a specific scene, and then he might be working on a different one, or we might divvy up, like, clearances and things like that.

But I think the way that we've been operating is we try to have, like, one kind of central point of contact to the client instead of having-

Yeah

...

even though we're all on copy, we don't need multiple people chiming in to email threads and confusing things.

Mike can share about it, his experience with it.

But, you know, like I mentioned earlier, like I, you know, as the business has continued to scale, I had a necessity to be able to, like, I needed help.

So, you know, Caleb has been a huge help, like along the way, he's been working with me for years.

Over four years now, he supports every single thing we do within the business.

He's extremely essential to what we do.

That was my first sort of like, try to plug the hole in the canoe sort of a situation.

That seemed to help out a lot.

You know, is it just sucks to have to like, yeah.

Mm

... to the music world.

So I really kinda cut my teeth by, like, doing, just by learning what the process is, how to pitch artists, how to pitch music.

And then I had left Atrium, uh, God, I don't even know what year it is, but what year it was, but I had left and went to a company called Audio Network, which is based out of the UK, and I was, like, their kinda first LA, like, hire looking after, you know, placing music in TV and film.

And around that time in 2015, I started Clearly Music, more kind of out of necessity because my friends and folks that I, that I grew up with were starting to kinda progress in their careers, and so they were mostly working at trailer houses as, like, producers, editors, directors.

Mm.

And then from there, I sort of, like, my network kind of grew organically.

I, I started to get to know different producers at the trailer house, then I was working with them and servicing their needs, and then they would move on to go to another trailer house, and then I would start working with them.

sense

yeah and um duntrain was a real challenge for me because i was pretty sheltered in in hindsight in many ways and um certainly wasn't mature enough for the requirements of being an officer and so i got through the end of first class and got back classed because of um some medical problems and decided to resign from duntroon and go back to being a soldier and so i ended up in ordnance call and um first unit was one field supply and so back in the day that was a company theoretically but platoon size and so like a mobile repair parts yep sort of warehouse warehouse sort of thing and we were in sydney and holsworthy and um little compound at the bottom of three rar next to the parish heads there and um after a bit of time there i actually spent more time i enjoyed you know servicing the trucks and trailers and doing everything else than operating a computer and being a clerk and um sort of had this real watershed moment of what the hell am i going to do with my life because i can't see myself doing this for the next 20 years and ended up you know deciding to go back to uni part-time because i've always been interested in people and how they function and operate and all that sort of stuff and so enrolled in an arts degree, English Lit and Psychology, part-time while I was working as a soldier.

And then my unit was then slated to move to Darwin to stand up on Sisby.

And this is early 90s, mid 90s.

And because I was enrolled as a distance education student in Melbourne, I ended up going to Melbourne, was posted to Schema and then from there, ended up as the admin sergeant for the director of medical services in Victoria.

And after working with doctors and medical students and whatever else for a while, really sort of opened my eyes up and I sort of decided I wanted to do medicine because I thought you could do more with medicine than you can with psychology.

And didn't get in the first time I applied because I didn't have year 12 biology, but I got offered an honours scholarship in Hobart in Tassie.

yeah.

sense

yeah and um duntrain was a real challenge for me because i was pretty sheltered in in hindsight in many ways and um certainly wasn't mature enough for the requirements of being an officer and so i got through the end of first class and got back classed because of um some medical problems and decided to resign from duntroon and go back to being a soldier and so i ended up in ordnance call and um first unit was one field supply and so back in the day that was a company theoretically but platoon size and so like a mobile repair parts yep sort of warehouse warehouse sort of thing and we were in sydney and holsworthy and um little compound at the bottom of three rar next to the parish heads there and um after a bit of time there i actually spent more time i enjoyed you know servicing the trucks and trailers and doing everything else than operating a computer and being a clerk and um sort of had this real watershed moment of what the hell am i going to do with my life because i can't see myself doing this for the next 20 years and ended up you know deciding to go back to uni part-time because i've always been interested in people and how they function and operate and all that sort of stuff and so enrolled in an arts degree, English Lit and Psychology, part-time while I was working as a soldier.

And then my unit was then slated to move to Darwin to stand up on Sisby.

And this is early 90s, mid 90s.

And because I was enrolled as a distance education student in Melbourne, I ended up going to Melbourne, was posted to Schema and then from there, ended up as the admin sergeant for the director of medical services in Victoria.

And after working with doctors and medical students and whatever else for a while, really sort of opened my eyes up and I sort of decided I wanted to do medicine because I thought you could do more with medicine than you can with psychology.

And didn't get in the first time I applied because I didn't have year 12 biology, but I got offered an honours scholarship in Hobart in Tassie.

yeah.