
Jonathan Black
Former UK Deputy National Security Adviser and Prime Minister's G7/G20 Sherpa, now a strategist on geoeconomics and AI governance.
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Sep 16, 2026
Reform’s £72m war chest - and how real are AI doomsday warnings?
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Cleo WatsonHOST
You know, uh, are these warnings from whistleblowers right? Or should we be frightened?

Jonathan BlackGUEST
I also think you're right about these, these two ends of the s- of the spectrum, actually.

Jonathan BlackGUEST
We're all sort of finding our way through, including, including me, but including people who know a lot more about it than me.

Jonathan BlackGUEST
And that, I think, is, by the way, the risk with the public debate, which is people see it for fun.

Jonathan BlackGUEST
You know, or, you know, I was, the other day, with my seven-year-old, we were like, "Can you make you look like a squirrel?" And all of those sorts of things.
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