Didn't you agree?

might depend on your definition but yeah yeah let's say I'm sensible yeah yeah yes I think I am I'm always I think trying to tread the line between what I think is a sensible logical approach you see that my writing yeah but also being drawn to other things and so I would say I'm not a religious person in a conventional sense And, you know, I wouldn't, I rarely go to church.

I am interested in religion.

I'm not very interested in God.

And I'm also sometimes quite drawn to kind of what you might describe as kind of pagan beliefs, something to do with the rhythm of the earth and its cycles and its rhythms and the seasons and all those things.

So I met somebody on a train last year when I was going to London, and I had with me Ronald Hutton's book on pagan Britain, which is really good.

It's a very good, big survey, and I was about a third of the way through it.

because that's the thing isn't it

Uh, and but then somebody tells you, "Oh, but actually we reckon there was a, a previous thing on this hill, and this is actually a, a thing done on top of it."

Ah, yeah.

I mean, or yeah, exactly.

The Westbury White Horse is a really good example of that, uh, where we know, we know, we know the date for its, um, its creation of 1778, but it looks like there was an earlier figure there before that looked nothing like [laughs] the horse we have today.

And you keep finding out stuff.

So only this week, um, so I talk at w- at some point in the book about, if you talk about kind of artistic visions of the landscape, about, um, Eric Ravilious, who painted loads of the, the, the chalk figures, particularly in 1939, 'cause he was going to create a children's book that was never completed in his lifetime.

And so he did loads of the, uh, the figures at that point and did them in this kind of watercolor, and one of the most famous is a painting called Train Landscape, which it shows the Westbury White Horse from the inside of a, um, a, a railway carriage.

Th- this, this is a book of a number of journeys, isn't it?