Joint Nature Conservation Committee

I, I think that's exactly it.

Um, one thing when you previously introduced the kind of two parties, Dave, that I think it's probably important to clarify is that Operation Turtle Dove is supported by the RSPB, JNCC, uh, and various other sort of big national conservation organizations, while the Turtle Dove Trust is more a kind of privately backed entity.

Um, and, and that's not to question the kind of motives around it, but one of the, one of the first things that jumped out on the Turtle Dove Trust's website, uh, when it first appeared online a, a few years back, was the notion of-

of-Creating a resident population of the species, which clearly sent massive alarm bells r- ringing i- in conservation circles