Johnny Byrne

And each of those should have had the same nuances and the same hierarchies and the same branches as each other.

But because Malcolm Hulk sets the second one as foot soldiers for the master, when they come to write Warriors of the Deep, and you've got Eric Sayward egging on, what's his good face, the space knight? Johnny Byrne.

egging him on to write this story.

And he basically gives him, right, you've got Silurians, or the more thoughtful thinkers, and the sea devils, who are the sort of more violent foot soldiers.

How do they know the humans have this base and what's on the base and how to...

The big shame of it is

that I think Johnny Byrne is a much more interesting writer than...

Keeper of Trachan.

Yeah.

Uh, um, also the 2nd of April, uh, the death of Johnny Byrne, who, at age of 72, he is obviously the writer of The Keeper of Traken, Ark of Infinity, and Warriors of the Deep from classic Doctor Who.

Um, and also on the 5th of April, which is the day this episode aired, we lost Charlton Heston.

Do you know who Charlton Heston is? Please say yes.

This is a great, uh, little, um, Jeff wink and nod here.

I'm on the Wikipedia page for The Knowledge Navigator, and it says, "The concept was first described by formal Apple computer CEO John Sculley and Johnny Byrne in their book Odyssey: Pepsi to Apple" that says, quote, "A- A future generation Macintosh, which we should have in early 21st century might well be a wonderful fantasy machine called the Knowledge Navigator, a discoverer of worlds, a tool as galvanizing as the printing press.

Ooh.

Remember, this is '87.