Tell us about, you know, w- what happened in, in chartered accountancy and, and, and, and why you left.

Yes.

I mean, uh, you know, to be frank, it takes you three years to qualify so, uh, and I, and I couldn't wait to get out the door.

Uh, but I'd developed some good relationships with the consultancy side of Pricewaterhouse, um, with some of the more senior, senior guys.

Got on with them well and ended up on the consultancy side.

Um, you know, and when you, when you look at it, you've never run a business and you're there giving advice to people who are running businesses.

It's, you know, y- you're probably a bit of a fraud.

I mean, do you see, you know, what do you see going forward, and what are the things you're taking with you as you manage that growth?

Catch 22 though in a way John because the appeal of these areas is their unspoiled nature and obviously if there's over tourism well the threshold for over tourism is quite low in a place like that

Yeah, well, I think one of the big challenges we hear all the time from fall to Ireland is that they want to disperse the tourism spend and the tourism visitors out of the city, out of Dublin.

And I mean, the Irish Times are running a series of articles at the moment throughout the summer about this whole lack of availability of affordable accommodation for Irish holidaymakers, young families, hotel prices, especially in the high season, July and August off the charts, very expensive accommodation.

You know, so there is now an ongoing push towards, look, let's get back to basics, particularly, you know, after the COVID scenario, everyone rediscovered the joy and safety and appeal of the great outdoors.

Like, you know, what kids don't like your roasting marshmallows on the barbecue fire after you've done your dinner? the night sky, running on the beach, sandcastles, you know, that's the kind of thing that camping and campsites bring with them.

And if people want to get their kids off the phone and off the screen, there's no better way.

And there's no kids that don't like, you know, the road trip, the adventure, the great unknown, and the fun of even being in a tent and not knowing what that noise outside is tonight and spotting the constellations.

that's part of the experience to share.

Catch 22 though in a way John because the appeal of these areas is their unspoiled nature and obviously if there's over tourism well the threshold for over tourism is quite low in a place like that

Yeah, well, I think one of the big challenges we hear all the time from fall to Ireland is that they want to disperse the tourism spend and the tourism visitors out of the city, out of Dublin.

And I mean, the Irish Times are running a series of articles at the moment throughout the summer about this whole lack of availability of affordable accommodation for Irish holidaymakers, young families, hotel prices, especially in the high season, July and August off the charts, very expensive accommodation.

You know, so there is now an ongoing push towards, look, let's get back to basics, particularly, you know, after the COVID scenario, everyone rediscovered the joy and safety and appeal of the great outdoors.

Like, you know, what kids don't like? You're roasting marshmallows on the barbecue fire after you've done your dinner.

The night sky, running on the beach, sandcastles, you know, that's the kind of thing that camping and campsites bring with them.

And if people want to get their kids off the phone and off the screen, there's no better way.

Do share.

Am I right in saying your difficulty is less with the fact that there is parole per se? It's that it happens, particularly in this case, far too early, the application process.

Yeah, absolutely, Shane.

It's far too early and far too often.

Okay, so what we're asking for in SAVE is to look at the British system of tariffs.

And I know Helen McEntee was talking about it last year and some judges came out to say that they would be in favour of how the tariff system works is that you hand down a minimum sentence that has to be served before they're even considered for parole.

Now, that would at least to give families a bigger breathing space to deal with the trauma that they have experienced.

Because trauma and grief is not linear.

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