I, I'm just curious about your relations with your captors.

'Cause you, you do what you have to do to survive, and different people do different things.

Some people basically hibernated, and they went into a corner, and they said, "Wake me up when this is over." Others were abusers, and they, you know, they yelled at the captors, and they cursed at them, and they swore at them, and they insulted them, and, um, you know, the, uh, made them feel good.

They also occasionally got beat up for that.

That's not me.

I can't...

I don't...

And maybe some of the lessons that you take as someone who had over so many years and through so many experiences, knowledge of both Iranian history, culture, but also Iranian people and talk about what are we missing in this present experience that we're in?

I'm Christopher Wurst, and this is Soft

Powerful Stories.

I'm a third-generation immigrant.

My grandparents came to the U.S. around the early 20th century from Eastern Europe.

My parents settled in the Midwest, but then they moved to Washington during World War II, and that's where I was born.

And I grew up in Washington, I consider home.

In our family, I think Franklin Roosevelt, who was no longer alive, but still remembered as someone who had rescued the country from the Great Depression, which affected my parents a great deal, and they talked about it a lot, and who had seen us through World War II, was considered an idol.

Do you have to go through a lot