So you as a fighter, was there times where you were overtraining and you had to have a teammate or a coach to actually pull it back in? And if that was the case, how did you deal with that? Because I know fighters want to just give it 100% all the time.

Well, I'm unfortunate.

I come up with like Ricky Burns and Kevin Mitchell.

I was, I'll be away on campus with them and you had both ends of the spectrum there.

You had Kevin Mitchell who was so talented and talented coming out of his ear I was, but was lazy, skipped corners, didn't train how he should have.

You know, Ricky Burns, he wasn't naturally talented, but an absolute workhorse.

And it was painful at times to be his training mate because he'd be like let's go and do a 10 miler sunday like let's go once we done 16 steps at leon c and then went for a 10 mile run um just for just for a laugh because he was down for the weekend and wanted to do it and it just showed the the opposite sides of what talent can do when it doesn't work hard and what hard work can do over talent and so i was very fortunate that i've broke it down in my mind that I used their experiences for myself.

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Why don't you tell us about that?

Sure, it was definitely a pivot that I had always planned, always dreamed of but I didn't know when it would happen and so I'm very happy that nine years ago I finally decided to get down to really living out the the dream of being able to do this for grieving children.

My mom died when I was three years old and in the early 1960s when something like that would happen, there really were no resources, there really was no one for my family to lean on in terms of understanding what the best way to deal with the children who were left behind.

And my dad decided that the best way and the way that would be probably the easiest at that time was to really Erased the memory of my mom and believed very strongly that we were kids.

My sister at seven years old, myself at three.

And I had a baby brother, a newborn baby brother.

And he really felt that the best way to allow us to move forward was to really not ever mention my mom again, her name, no pictures, no stories.

So when a child first comes into Myra's Kids, comes into the program and gets involved with you, what does that look like? And what kinds of changes do you see in that child over a period of time, whether it's a child or a young adult?