Yeah.

For me, like Jeff's story was very circumstantial because of a circumstance in his life, it led you to kind of have this idea and this concept and it grew from there.

For me, coaching, it was always an extension of who I was as a person anyway.

When I was at school, I always wanted to help people.

You know, I always stood up to bullies and I know I've sat down and looked short, but in real life, as you know, I'm seven foot five.

I'm quite an intimidating fella, but I was always about... fairness always about helping so for me I feel I've coached all my life it was more of a calling you know you said you didn't know where to turn for people people would always turn to me and I was always very good at kind of compartmentalizing other people's emotions and being able to help them um and still stay in my own emotional bubble.

So what I'm helping other people with never consumed me because I feel in the areas we do, you know, when you're working with people, you've got to be able to compartmentalize people people and their emotions with your own because I'm a father of two you know my kids have or my wife they have something and I'm in there and I'm emotionally broad and I get that but for me I was always able to help with an eye on the outside without becoming too emotionally and broad which I feel is something that is is is a power when you're working with people is okay that's not mine so I can't emotionally entangle myself in that but because of that I'm able to help you from the outside.

But you're kind of protecting those around you, those yourself, with those shoulders.