John Keel

So the idea is, are there entities in there that are manifesting here? And do these drugs used in very specific ways, do they facilitate us to perceive these other entities? Carl Jung believed that that's what we were seeing That it wasn't hallucinatory.

And John Keel believed that's what we were seeing.

And both of them were involved with entities involved with UFOs.

Carl Jung's last book was about that.

Uh, so I think there's that, but I will say this.

Jacques Vallée, John Keel, some of the guys, they're seculars.

They freely admit, freely admit.

They've been studying this.

So this went on for about a year.

During that time, John Keel, the guy who wrote the book, The Mothman Prophecies, went down to Point Pleasant and began covering it, thinking he'd be there a few days.

He stayed pretty much the whole year because he wanted to get to the bottom of all of this stuff that was going on.

And he started to very methodically tell people, he met people and said, okay, anything happens to you, don't tell anyone, tell me.

And I bought it.

I still have the receipt, March 14, 1997.

And I read the book, and what was so compelling about the book was the first person voice of John Keel, who was led so far astray.

I mean, talk about looking into the abyss and having it look back into you.

And we estimated these sizes to be anywhere between... know possibly a half and three meters in diameter you know and that's similar to what the pilot is exactly that same size

um what do you How about like patterns in terms of time or activity? Is there anything that you've noticed about like, you know, Wednesday nights happen to be a busy night or I've heard that actually that John Keel used to say that Wednesdays were like peak activity time for some, you know, UFOs or whatnot.

But have you noticed anything on the calendar or the clock that relates to what you might see?

The interesting thing is they would occur more often when the flight traffic died down, like after 12 o'clock midnight, most of the traffic would die down and start to see more of them.

And you basically were like going to be piercing the electromagnetic spectrum.

And you stumbled into the fact that I think the UAP is a part of like somehow resides within the spectrum.

Like John Keel used to call it the super spectrum.

Like somehow there's an intelligence that's infested that.

You don't have to listen to me.

Read John Keel's book, Mothman Prophecies.

It sounds like it's just about prophecies.

It's not.

And the funny thing about that movie is it's not really about what happened in Point Pleasant.

It is about John Keel, who researched it.

And it's more about him and his research than it actually is about what happened.

And they really mix stuff together in that film.

I don't know if everybody does.

I knew that people were reporting seeing something strange around Point Pleasant in 1966 and 1967.

We do know John Keel eventually wrote The Mothman Prophecies and Hollywood got involved and Richard Gere got involved and they got a giant statue and a festival and merchandise.

So it was the movie that actually kind of recreated this interest in the Mothman and started the festival and the museum that they have there.

And the funny thing about that movie is it's not really about what happened in Point Pleasant.

It is about John Keel, who researched it.

And it's more about him and his research than it actually is about what happened.

And they really mix stuff together in that film.

I don't know if everybody does.

I knew that people were reporting seeing something strange around Point Pleasant in 1966 and 1967.

We do know John Keel eventually wrote The Mothman Prophecies and Hollywood got involved and Richard Gere got involved and they got a giant statue and a festival and merchandise.

So it was the movie that actually kind of recreated this interest in the Mothman and started the festival and the museum that they have there.

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John? Do you remember when I was talking about that parasite that goes into a fish's mouth and eats its tongue and then becomes its tongue, and that's how we met?

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Yeah.

And he did it, yeah, and basically he was pulling pranks.

Who's heard of Mothman? That's this guy again.

John Keel goes to West Virginia to investigate the Mothman, and he brings Gray Barker with him because Gray Barker's from West Virginia.

And while John Keel is researching Mothman, all sorts of strange things are happening, and he's getting weird phone calls, and they're ominous, and there's strange beeping noises, and he doesn't know what's happening.