John Hagelin

So, so from a, from a point of absolute, s- yeah, absolute non-duality, that's true.

Sure, and I think there's some physicists who would tell us that that's true from their perspective, like guys like John Hagelin and so on.

And then, and then, and, and then you...

But then, then, then what we wanna do is we wanna come out of that absolute perspective.