Um, so the Lean Excellence World Championship, where, like, how did you come up with this? What, what was your, what was the basis behind the idea of pull- bringing teams together to compete on the big stage against each other, um, for, you know, the, the world title? What, what, what was your motivation behind the whole thing?

Yeah, you know, Patrick, you and I have both been to many, many conferences over the years.

We bump into each other pretty frequently at these conferences, uh, and they are great.

You know, I mean, everybody does a good job putting together a conference.

But they were fairly cookie cutter, right? I mean, you had, um, plant tours that people could go on.

You had keynote speakers.

There were, you know, workshops and some, you know, presentations.

Uh, w- have you, do you have any examples of, like, challenges or problems that organizations have had in your experience with process mapping that maybe someone should be aware of or just, you know, know so that they can navigate that before it happens? You know, maybe just one or two examples.