John Challis

This just creates its own system where it decides who's important, uh, which is not what the rest of the story does.

Anyway, let's not get into that because more interestingly than the order of credits, which is very much my particular peccadillo, uh, is we have the introduction of Peter Halliday as Packer, a, a man who's going to have a long association with Doctor Who, and is n- not the sort of actor I thought would have been cast as Packer when I read the book, and I actually think it's a sort of genius casting 'cause you would expect Camfield to cast a Murray Evans type, a John Forgeham type, what, a John Challis type, a sort of heavy actor that Camfield specialized in.

And it's almost like, has he miscast Peter Halliday? Because Peter Halliday is a slightly nasal, sort of school teachery, sort of actor, and you go, "Oh, no, it's because Packer should be a big, hunky, muscle-bound guy," but he's actually a lank-haired, sort of sadist who, you know, who feels good wearing leather but doesn't necessarily look, look, look as good as, as perhaps some more.

Yeah, it's, I think it's really, I think it's a, I think it's...

Okay.

He says, "Dear Frank, Emily, and Alan, I was just catching up with your podcast and I heard Emily's story of meeting John Bradley at the Game of Thrones premiere." He says, "GoT".

I think they say Thrones in the trade.

Do they?

Well, I'm, I'm not a fan, as you know, but you are.

Yes.

Um, it just so happens, I was able to, uh, obtain an official statement from John Bradley just prior to this broadcast.

Oh, okay.

already got the van right and they got rid of that very original car that they had in Cash and Courier that they sold yeah but I think maybe yeah he just because John Sullivan was a used car salesman and a lot of that was and I'm going to talk about this in a bit in the episode breakdown He has such a lot of knowledge about different types of cars and stuff.

And you can tell just by the way he wrote the script for Boise.

So I would say he probably was just keen to get another funny vehicle in there for Adele.

Something flat, like, yeah.

That's all it was.

Okay, great.

So we're going to move on now to a scene in Boise's car showroom.

And we're not completely leaving the flat at this point.