[laughs]

As I say, I think a lot of people have, uh, sort of questioned us in a, in a quite healthy way of, you know, all the words against hospitality at the moment.

Um, it's always doom and gloom.

It's always bad news.

But it kind of always has been.

You know, if I look at, I mean, the scant 20 years I've been sort of in pubs and restaurants, smoking ban was negative.

The financial crisis was negative.

Right.