John Bew

Yes, absolutely.

And I think John Bew uses the phrase, we're the last man at the Davos bar.

The world has moved on and we're still playing the old tunes and we just need to wake up because...

Before long, a country which is not interested in free trade in the way that we might consider it China might have taken our lunch completely on a whole range of issues, as it already has over many, many, many years.

Yes, absolutely.

And I think John Bew uses the phrase, we're the last man at the Davos bar.

The world has moved on and we're still playing the old tunes and we just need to wake up because...

Before long, a country which is not interested in free trade in the way that we might consider it China might have taken our lunch completely on a whole range of issues, as it already has over many, many, many years.

In our next episode, we'll be examining the idea that we are witnessing the return of realpolitik in international relations and how power is wielded by states.

Discussing this with us is Professor John Bew from King's College London.

As well as being an academic, he has advised numerous British prime ministers and was the author of the UK's national security strategies in 2021, 2023 and 2025.

We very much hope that you can join us then.