John Baldessari

Yeah, and I'm not the first one to obviously think of it or look at it that way.

You have people like John Baldessari or Richard Prince who have been looking at and appropriating film stills from movies into their art since the 70s and 80s and 90s.

So I definitely look up to those people in that it all is relative.

But you're right, there is...

Like the most of the group, I would say he was probably the most towards kind of mystical activities, which I really related to and Mike did too.

So who else was at CalArts? John Baldessari was teaching there too at the time?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, John was my main connection there.