Joel Rifkin

Right.

But also the other thing I'm seeing with Silence of the Lambs is that when it came out, a lot of people, a lot of killers like Joel Rifkin and Gary Ridgway, and they watched it and it really resonated with them.

Um, so there's a lot to silence of the lambs, not all also to mention that, you know, it is based on real killers like Ted Bundy and Ed Gein and, and others.

Right.

I wanted to go and find an update 'cause there wasn't one on the show, but sometimes there are some online.

But there is speculation because at that time there was a serial killer named Joel Rifkin, and the composite sketches, I don't know, confirmation bias, but there was a lot of speculation that it was Rex Heuermann.

Stop.

But that doesn't match the description at all.

He was all over there."

Sure.

So there was one that was Joel Rifkin because to your point, the thrill kill of it all, which gross term-

Totally

First of all, it's something I have been tracking and noticing that, especially serial killers from the 1990, and I'm thinking of men like...

Joel Rifkin, BTK, you know, the Green River Killer to some extent.

They they, you know, after the definition of serial killer became commonplace in about 1982, these men started to pattern themselves after other serial killers.

They became very and they did this by consuming media.

She told Tyra, quote, "'I'm going to go down in history.'"

Eileen's delayed confession, I don't think, was because she wanted to unburden herself in the way, let's say, Jeffrey Dahmer or Joel Rifkin did.

It was an attachment decision to protect Tyra.

Part of her identity and self-concept that formed from the relationship with Tyra was one of protector, and that is what we are seeing happening here.

Notwithstanding the district court's conclusion, we have encouraged our sister to maintain her fight for a fair hearing and to apply to the court for the necessary relief, including, if required, a certificate of appealability so that she may lodge an appeal and have those issues properly reviewed in the United States Courts of Appeals for the Second Circuit, the family said Thursday.

Well, I guess everybody should get this many appeals, right? What the fuck's Ed Kemper up to? How about Joel Rifkin? What about Rex Heuermann? Let's just let everybody appeal until they're blue in the face.

At some point, enough is enough.

And when every single court has told you that you're guilty on top of a jury of your peers...

Notwithstanding the district court's conclusion, we have encouraged our sister to maintain her fight for a fair hearing and to apply to the court for the necessary relief, including, if required, a certificate of appealability so that she may lodge an appeal and have those issues properly reviewed in the United States Courts of Appeals for the Second Circuit, the family said Thursday.

Well, I guess everybody should get this many appeals, right? What the fuck's Ed Kemper up to? How about Joel Rifkin? What about Rex Heuermann? Let's just let everybody appeal until they're blue in the face.

At some point, enough is enough.

And when every single court has told you that you're guilty on top of a jury of your peers...

I mean, I'm sure that there's a way for her to do it because our legal system is so fucked up, but the judge is telling her, "It's meritless, it's frivolous, and you better not file it again." "Notwithstanding the district court's conclusion, we have encouraged our sister to maintain her fight for a fair hearing and to apply to the court for the necessary relief, including, if required, a certificate of appealability so that she may lodge an appeal and have those issues properly reviewed in the United States Courts of Appeals for the Second Circuit," the family said Thursday.

Well, I guess everybody should get this many appeals, right? What the fuck's Ed Kemper up to? How about Joel Rifkin? What about Rex Heuermann? Let's just let everybody appeal until they're blue in the face.

At some point, enough is enough.

And when every single court has told you that you're guilty, on top of a jury of your peers, I don't wanna hear anything else from you.