So what are some of those commonalities? What are some of those overlaps that you have seen?

Well, I think a lot of it has to do with, okay, yeah, a lot of it has to do with hatreds that are consistently leveled towards precarious merchant classes.

So that's the sociological perspective, is that you have a group that is largely self-sustaining, values education, and then their success, because of their differences, then becomes marketed as a form of zero-sum competition.

But the precarity actually helps them to be trusted because no one gets screwed over more for screwing people over than them.

Their precarity becomes an asset.

Right.

So that's exactly, in game theory, essentially, what creates a merchant class.

of that,

So, could you, um, elaborate a little bit for us on the actual implications in terms, let's say, of the recent election here in New York and the involvement of these subnationals and utilizing organizational fronts like CAIR or others to transfer perhaps money and mobilize support? How does that, um, fit into what, to what you've, uh, the construct that you established?

Well, let me give you an example.

Let's...

We're gonna get to social media in a second, but I think it's best to start with what happens on the ground because it's very illustrative.

There's an organization that was responsible for organizing votes for Mamdani from the Southeast Asian community known as DRUM or Desus Rising.

DRUM and its 501(c)(4), DrumBeats, were responsible, in their own words, for bringing over 150,000 voters from Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities to the polls.

It turns out that many of the folks who were doing this met- ...

Yes, of course, please.

Joel, the assassination culture I read, what is it? What's happened?

Look, I mean, I think we've seen a number of things changing, uh, specifically on, uh, the left side of the political aisle unfortunately, uh, most recently.

And you had attempted assassinations of Donald Trump, at least two.

Some of them came literally within inches of his life.

Um, and we had the assassination attempt, um, or the, the, the successful assassination against the UHC, United Healthcare CEO, by Luigi Mangione.

In the wake of these assassination attempts, the NCRI measured significant increases in social cyber activity, cartoonish gamification glorifying the assassins, working to, to really increase hostility, revolutionary sentiment.

Ideas like eating the rich spiked close to 400% on several social media platforms when Luigi Mangione killed the UnitedHealthcare CEO.

You, you, you noticed, uh, higher s- uh, levels of justification, particularly regarding the president, Elon Musk, but is there a broader appeal here to an, an acceptance of violence in society, property destruction, let alone the assassinations?