Joel Dorn

[laughs]

So he says, "One of my favorite producers worked at Atlantic Records." So I said, "Who? Ivan Arragin, Jerry Wexler?" He said, "No, Joel Dorn." [laughs]

Wow.

This is a 20-year-old kid.

He felt like he wasn't being listened to, okay? So my father walked over to the piano and closed the piano and said, "We are done with you for the day.

Someone else will play piano." And they got what they needed without Barry.

Fast-forward 30 years, Barry Mano- Barry Manilow does a biography, and he says that Joel Dorn was the meanest man in the record business, and he kicked me out of the studio, all right? So this is published in around 2002.

My father took a photocopy of the excerpt, and we had a label at the time, and we had holiday cards, and on the inside of the holi- holiday card was the quote from Barry Manilow about my father being the worst man in the record business.