Joel David Hamkins

That sounds a little more cheaty.

And I remember we shortly spoke with, uh, Joel Hamkins in our episode about another reformulation, um, I think where, um, different histories could have happened, and some of these formulations are more convincing than others, but the devil is in the detail, right? So the mere notion of infinite product is maybe one that makes more sense if you already assume choice.

But that's probably just a-

Yes.