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Um, so, you know, when I was, uh, when I was in, in college, I was, uh, initially planning to become a doctor in the medical field.

Um, I, uh, was a biology major, a pre-med student.

Uh, was very determined and, uh, worked very hard to, uh, qualify myself for med school.

Um, about a week before I got into med school, by the end of my senior year, I, I really realized that, uh, this wasn't the path for me, that I probably had been exposed to quite a bit of new things in college that increased m- and piqued my interest in, in ways that I could make a contribution to the world.

Um, I became passionate about issues around human rights, about, around environmental development, around poverty.

Um, volunteered in a few different programs that gave me more exposure to that and helped me sort of learn about things.

... and talk about was there a project, um, that provided sort of an a-ha moment, um, and talk about, uh, maybe the, the impacts that you had?