Joe Pyne

And it always was big.

There was the days of Joe Pine, and then later when they gave birth to Bob Grant, and then, of course, Rush Limbaugh, who was the...

I don't think people realize how big his impact was.

Nobody really gets it.

And we also, I'm also convinced that, especially, and I knew this, when I was in talk radio, when Rush Limbaugh came along, he created the conservative host.

He did.

There were some others before, you know, Bob, Bob Granster, and before that, Joe Pine.

But he came up with conservatives versus liberals.