What is its

goal and what are you trying to do? Well, our goal, you know, eventually is to be put out of business, to be honest with you.

You know, we're looking to get rid of domestic violence, but you got to start somewhere.

You know, and we do many things when it comes to domestic violence.

You got Tara and Nikki that go around doing high schools and colleges and keynote speaking events for domestic violence, red flags.

Il y a Jim, qui a écrit ce qu'on appelle un programme d'advocats invisibles, où il va à l'écoute enseigner aux responsables premiers, aux EMTs, aux fire-fighters, certaines des flèches rouges qu'ils voient sur les appels à la violence domestique.

Je fais beaucoup de travail législatif, ainsi que beaucoup d'autres choses que nous travaillons sur en termes d'éducation et de prévention.

Tell us what you have been able to lobby for so

Of course.

If you're ever in a position to tell your story, uh, where you feel safe and comfortable enough to share it, you don't have to put names or dates or places, but just let people know that there's a light at the end of that tunnel, because it is a dark time for them.

And when the Netflix thing came out, we were talking about it before, it...

A lot of people started to share their stories and let them, I guess, help inspire others to contact their advocates, find that safe plan, uh, to get out of their current situation.

So if you're in a place where you feel comfortable enough to share it publicly, uh, I'd love for that to continue, um, because it's stories like that that help inspire others that might be going through it to get out of that situation, and you never know that your story might be the catalyst to get that person out.

You might never meet them, but it was because of your bravery that they were able to do so.

I'd, I'd love to see that continue.

What resources would you recommend looking into or actions to take?

In, in the civil case you brought against them?

Yes. Uh, for the, for the civil case. 'Cause we wanted answers. That was, that was the reason why that was done. Uh, and once we got the answers, you know, we weren't gonna get anything else from them at that point. So, it really, uh, was... It is what it is. But, you know, when we, we first went to the national media, her story wasn't picked up as, as fast as people really think. It was, uh... Once the Moab video went out, I think that's when her story really blew up because, you know... I, I, I guess in previous interviews I had said that it was like maybe she's, you know, she's pretty or it's her color or it's the story. You know, that's why her story went out that, you know, as far as it did. But after watching the Netflix documentary and seeing the reaction afterwards, uh, you know, I realize now that it wasn't just her color or the way she looked. It was that so many other people see themselves in that position. And, you know, really just empathize with Gabby because they've been there before. And not just here in the States. All over the country. I mean, all over the pl- all over the planet. So, it's just such a prevalent problem and, you, you, you know, the fact that people now are doing these videos on how they survived and how they got out and all that stuff, I'd love for that to continue, to inspire others to do it. If someone feels safe and comfortable enough to where they can share their story, uh, and inspire others to do it, uh, I, I just... I, I think...That's gonna help get rid of the shame from the victim and really put it where it belongs, on the abuser.

Mm-hmm.

And we try to really take as much... See, I'm all for, you know, learning lessons. You know what I mean? That's something I've always done since, you know, I was a kid. You know, take the learning lesson from whatever you can. And so what we've learned from this, we're trying to help others, you know? Um, take the pictures, take the, take, take the videos 'cause you never know when you're gonna need them. You know? Um, and that's what helped with Gabby's story when it came to, to, to her missing. You know, I, I, I talk about it a lot, how we were on hold, um, th- trying to get her story to do an interview while she was missing, and they, one of the producers asked me, "Hey, listen. Uh, do you mind if we use her pictures and videos from online?" And we said, "Absolutely." I guess he meant to put me on hold or mute me, uh, or mute himself, and he told his boss, he's like, "Yeah, we got permission. This is gonna be a sellable story," you know? And-