Joe Lacey

And if you treat younger players like this, and look, that's not to say that Football Australia is not right and this player is wrong or vice versa, but Like you said, with the ecosystem, if you can't keep tabs where people are and you can't network and at least communicate to some basis around availability and vice versa, we've seen it.

Joe Lacey, potentially with Wales, Jetson Lopez, Chile, the younger Gianco Ocon, obviously with Belgium, Italy, and obviously Arena we've seen in Italy as well.

If we can't connect with these people and at least offer something, then they're not We're not going to be able to get them to play.

And the challenge is, I know these players have got some journeys still to prove themselves and make it in their own nationalities.

Makes sense.

Losing someone like Joe Lacey to Wales is ridiculous to me, especially since he is already breaking through for the senior team for Sydney.

His ability to play...

In the half space, there's a winger.