kind of self-centered maybe?

Yeah, apparently.

I mean, the first thing I saw was I was glad to see that the psychologist was licensed while she was doing this because we've seen in other cases where it might not be the case.

But the issue that comes down to is that this is also the things that law enforcement looks for.

Those hand gestures, like for instance, I speak with my hands a lot.

And when you're talking to somebody who does that, they're showing a lot of different kinds of movements.

And when those don't stop, those are usually kind of kind of red flags that maybe this person is not telling us exactly what the truth is at that point because they're trying to control everything and they can't.

able to to really speak to him and understand him and as you said it's better than sitting in a cell

Where do you think we're sitting with that?

Well, I think that they're all on the table, so to speak, because I firmly believe that Sondra Castillo was not his first case in 1993.

I think he started much earlier.

Right.

And Carmen Vargas just makes total sense.

Yes, Carmen Vargas makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons, just because of geography, but also because of the similarities in crime scenes between her case and Sondra Castillo.

The problem that comes down to is their evidence, and that's the same thing for every one of these cases.

The last part about Rex's sentencing, what did you take away from what he said at sentencing?

And then it's like, oh, my God, do they have the right guy? Do they have the evidence? Do they have the right guy and do they have the evidence for the right guy? And seeing as you're the expert, I've kind of presented my I have my evidence to present to you.

Well, listen, when we first when the story first broke, I had my questions about this and we actually laid out Why we thought or I thought that there wasn't enough evidence as far as I was concerned.

As a matter of fact, I even said if I would have presented this case to the Bronx district attorney's office, they wouldn't have gone with it.

They would have told you, listen, you got to have more evidence than that.

They have a child in common.

They have relationships.

People get back together all the time.

They

I know it does appear that the prosecution has a really airtight case, but I do think Michael Brown is gonna use this in his defense, don't you?

Agree 100%.

First of all, if you're the defense attorney, I think you're kinda salivating at all this, because he's had a lot of setbacks.

He lost the DNA.

He lost the severing these cases.

And there is a lot of evidence against Rex in regards to the killings of these seven women, including the planning document.

The case is not in jeopardy, per se, but it gives the district attorney a major headache.

Multiple killers."

Based on what was released at the press conference, what is the feeling you get about what they might or might not have? Do you think they have physical evidence that they can test?

Well, I mean, me personally believe that they have forensic evidence, because out of all the cases that we've ever spoken about, this was the case where I always thought number one would have it, and the reason was because it was in this Rubbermaid container.

It was sealed, it had a blanket, it had a pillowcase, and I think there might even have been tape that, that was holding this together.

So I believe they have forensic evidence in this case, whatever it might be.

Hair follicles, could be other genetic materials like body fluids.

This was a warm time when this was put out.

It could be sweat droplets, it could run the gamut.

If that car was found somewhere and she was never seen again, what would happen to a vehicle like that, in general, back in '97?

So what is the connection to Rex Heuermann, and what can it tell us in terms of possible other crimes? For those of you who are not familiar with Long Island and the distance between the Heuermann home and the various body recovery sites, here's Long Island native Joe Jackalone, a retired New York Police Department sergeant and former commanding officer of the Bronx Cold Case Squad.

Just look at the map.

Look how, you know, you come down either the Meadowbrook Parkway or the Wantagh Parkway.

You're right there at Jones Beach, where we found victims.

You drive a little further out.

You go around the bend.

You do the U-turn, and then every victim was found on the north side of Ocean Parkway.

It's just not practical.

And were you surprised with the Sandra Costilla indictment? Because that added just a completely new area, a completely new MO, and extended the timeline pretty significantly.

Oh, yeah.

That was the one that I guess nobody was expecting to be added in there, and there are several other cases that aren't too far from that that could be included in all that stuff, too.

But you need to have evidence, right? That's the whole thing when you're dealing with these old cases.

I could tell you, some of these investigations would not have been solved today if the crime scene technicians didn't do what they were supposed to do.

And we're talking, you know, 20, 30 years ago, where we were kinda in the infancy stages about how to handle crime scenes and, and find these kind of things like hair follicles and, and everything else that goes along with it.

And they were able to not only find it, but they were able to preserve it for 25 years correctly so that the new technology now has been able to identify a suspect, you know? And that's what I said, sometimes it's easy to poke fingers and say you did a bad job.

You know what I mean?