Joe Fried

But, I mean, I think that is ideal.

You know, we did an episode that's gotten a good bit of play from last year with Joe Fried and my dear friend Chris Finney where we talked about universal human values.

And it's things that you believe, that I believe, that a lot of our audience believes, and that every single juror interested about in the United States of America believes on those human values.

And especially, you know, like y'all did in this case, you start contrasting corporate values with human values.