Joaquín Guzmán López

So one faction is trying to displace the other and take control of its territory.

Initially, obviously, a-as you mentioned, it started because of, of, of the treason wh-which involved the, the capture of El Mayo by-- Well, it, it involved the kidnap-- alleged kidnapping, um, and hand-handing him over to US authorities by one of the sons of El Chapo, Joaquín Guzmán López, right? Um, so the initial, the initial reaction was a retaliation by the Mayiza.

But, you know, and, and that is still I think a logic that continues until today.

Uh, but it has also evolved into simply just taking con- taking territory away by one faction, uh, to the other, right? A lot of the fighting initially was around Culiacán because Culiacán was the epicenter of operations for the Chapitos.