Joanna Colbert

What did you find, just because everybody's so different, like, I had a very unique experience of working with April for most of my career.

I only worked with Rich Mento and Joanna Colbert for a hot stint, and then Alissa Weisberg sort of on and off in between.

Mm-hmm.

So I have a very, very little experience in the bopping around version, but I do think it's so important because you do get to sort of cherry-pick the best of those offices and, and how they work.